Attendance Issues - Adult courses

How is your program? - daily attendance with adults
Thursday, June 2, 2016 6 comments

I wrapping up my third year of teaching our 1200 hour day course. It runs 6 hours per day for 11 months. We are a county school in Florida and run under the same umbrella as the elementary - High school etc. Our technical school has dual enrollment - high school and adult. It depends on the course. the high school students are only Junior and senior and are bussed here every day from 5 high schools. My class has all adults but we live in this dual world. Sort of 1/2 Community College and 1/2 high school. Much different than my New England roots. Boston area is all vocational high school and NH was all adult post secondary. Anyway.

I am responsible not only to teach machining but employability skills. 20% of the grade. Its been pretty consistent on how students perform. 1/3 are go getters. 1/3 are middle of the pack but will be successful and 1/3 ride low and do minimal work and some have attendance issues. In the end they do all get jobs and graduate but it becomes a cancer in the last 2 months.

I could be total hardcore and use the attendance policy to move them along. I installed a online computer time clock per advisory committee and it worked well in the beginning. They were responsible to clock in and out but I get tied up with other stuff. I do need to use the power of this system plus give written warnings to get them back on board. It gives them a daily text or email that they are late or clocked out early and I get e-mail also. So now here I am. Some think its like a community college and come and go as they please. I now the answer but this program is a restart after it was dumped 9 years ago. I wanted to keep a full classroom no matter what and work with each one to get that job. Now my course has success and need to live up to standards. One problem would be that if people leave or removed the school will want to fill seats at that moment or next quarter. I've been trying to avoid having a class that has multiple start dates. Students that are at different levels. I am all by myself but I did have volunteer help this year.

I guess I have answered my own question - I need to at least enforce to the point of a removal. That should fix 50% of them. answer #1

I forget to say one other thing. They start off the year ok but 40-60% have other jobs that end up interfering at some point. Come in late - leave early - sleeping on the desk. I guess I see that - to take a year off with no job or a part time job is a lot to ask. I have had a couple who worked 3rd shift and would be on time for class all day. A rarity. I know the answer to that would be 1/2 day classes or nights. That would be nice but I have to deal with situation as is.

SO may goal is for next year to get real serious. I wish we had a waiting list but we are just able to fill all the seats - unlike New England schools.

Looking for some thoughts and also what is the situation at your school.


cncdude5x says:
Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 06:08 PM
Doug Bowman, Vincennes I know we have talked before. our county school PSAV policy is first warning at 30 hours missed - 2nd warning at 48 hours and see ya later at 60 hours. (1200 hour class with 6 hour days). (we are both a high school and an adult school- or machining class is all adult). I am going to make my goal next year to kick some one out to set the tone. I had a good hold on it since I instituted the computer time clock - just like at on the job. But I got distracted by other teacher stuff - working solo - and did not hold the feet to the fire when they finally started pushing boundaries - which is inevitable. having started a new program 3 years ago I didn't want to just kill 50% of the class right away - I was a softy. Now ending year 3, I can see that this stuff never changes - even on the job, You have problems that need attention and can't be ignored. As successful as I have been in all other areas this is my one week area. Now that we have a good reputation I do not want to ruin it and I need to hold higher standards. So run by the rules - I have been using the employability grade to show them if the are only at a 75 level (Grade C) once I add the employ grade that could dump them down to F level - PS: I s there a way that we can get email notifications to our posts ?
cncdude5x says:
Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 05:52 PM
Good responses - Employability skills . My school mandates we use 20% of the grade on employability. Attendance is usually the number 1 issue. I have 75% of the class working on paid internships that will roll into permanent jobs. Initially is had agreements of 50/50 class and work which I have modified to 3 days work and 2 days class. In the last 4 weeks (now) I modify to 4 or full week. The whole goal was to get them employed and the internship section allows employer and employee to get busy and see if it will work plus continue to learn. Of course most of my shops are small , run lean, need machinists that can do it all traditional and CNC. Some of them are so busy that they want me to give them full time employment. I guess I can look at it both ways. Positive - If they are holding down a job then they are successful grad. negative - yes I think can continue to learn and also review the experience. Plus they may have projects that are still incomplete - like NIMS CNC mill and lathe. I would like them to earn all credentials offered.
vinu-p says:
Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 10:27 AM
I have copy and pasted our Student Policies, Procedures, Rules, and Regulations Handbook. Perhaps you may find something helpful in the "Attendance" section, it seems to be working for us. Vincennes University CNC Machinist Now Training Program 1002 North First Street Vincennes, IN 47591 (812)888-4159 Student Policies, Procedures, Rules, and Regulations Handbook Rev. 4 – 4.26.2016 Vincennes University Haas Technical Education Center - Staff VU Policy on Student Interaction All employees of Vincennes University are committed to delivering professional instruction and quality service in a timely, caring, and courteous manner. Commitment to Services - VU Catalog As the staff of the Vincennes University HTEC, we pledge to you, our student the following: • to always interact with you in a professional manner • to always treat you with respect and courtesy • to get to know you and your name as soon as possible • to encourage questions and to answer them to the best of our ability in a timely manner • to help you to achieve the most you can from the class • to listen carefully to your concerns Vincennes University Haas Technical Education Center - Students Standard of Student Behavior: The Vincennes University Standard of Student Behavior can be found in the current Vincennes University Catalog and applies to all students in the CNC Machinist NOW Training Program. Students need to be aware that violations of the University Standard of Student Behavior may result in some form of disciplinary action including possible expulsion from the CNC Machinist NOW Training Program without the possibility to readmit to the training program or a refund of any money. Vincennes University Student Creed: (from VU Catalog) As a Vincennes University student, I commit to a code of civilized behavior. I will practice personal academic integrity; I will respect the dignity of all persons, including myself; I will respect the rights of others; I will not condone bigotry; I will strive for the openness to learn from differences in people, ideas and opinions; I will demonstrate concern for others, their feelings, and their need for conditions which support their work and development. Allegiance to these ideals requires me to refrain from behavior that threatens the freedom and respect every individual deserves. For CNC Machinist NOW training: Students are expected to be respectful to staff members and fellow students, no amount of disrespectful behavior will be tolerated. Bad attitudes and negative behavior affects everyone’s ability to learn and grow, and will not be tolerated. Staff and students share the responsibility of maintaining a constant learning environment, wasting time will not be tolerated. Questions are encouraged to enhance learning, complaining and whining will not be tolerated. If a student has a concern, he or she are to discuss their concern privately with the staff member. Staff members will conduct periodic performance evaluations with each student, and detailed student performance records, including behavioral records, will be kept and shared with sponsoring organizations and with employers. Attendance: DO NOT MISS CLASSROOM OR LAB TIME Philosophy of Attendance. The Vincennes University policy is premised upon the notion that students will attend all sessions of the classes in which they are enrolled. This policy supports Vincennes University’s philosophy that students benefit most from the people and facilities provided by the citizens of Indiana through proper and adequate class attendance. Consequently, missing class for any reason will be regarded as an absence. For CNC Machinist NOW training: Students are required to contact the instructor prior to an absence from class. The instructor will determine if the absence will be considered excused or unexcused. If the instructor is not notified prior to the absence, then the absence will automatically be considered unexcused. For whatever reason the absence occurs, the student is responsible for the work missed. Accurate attendance records will be kept and these records will be shared with the student’s sponsoring institution and with employers. Serious attendance issues can result in the student being dropped from the program, the student losing the financial benefits from their sponsoring organization, and the student assuming all financial obligations themselves. ***IMPORTANT*** Absences 1st unexcused absence = 1 drop in final grade rank, make up the missed work 2nd unexcused absence = another drop in final grade rank, and placed on probation, make up the work 3rd unexcused absence = dropped from program 1st excused absence = okay, just make up the missed work 2nd excused absence = placed on probation, make up the work 5 total absences (40 hours of class) = dropped from the program Tardiness – Being tardy for class will result in the loss of 10 points for each infraction 8:00AM Start of Class 10:00AM - 10:10AM Morning Break 12:00PM – 1:00PM Lunch Break 3:00PM – 3:10PM Afternoon Break Cell Phones: Use of cell phones in the classroom or lab setting is prohibited. If a student brings a cell phone to class it must be kept in the student’s locker during class, and may be used only during scheduled breaks and then placed back into the locker. Loss of 10 points for each infraction. Classroom/Lab Sessions: The CNC Machinist NOW program requires that each student complete 8 hours of classroom/lab time per day. There will be different types of learning that will involve: lecture, discussion, direct instruction, independent study, group activities, power point, handouts, reading, DVD/video, hands on learning, observed learning, quizzes, tests, and guest instructors with expertise in various specialty fields. There is to be no cell-phone use during class time. There will be no sleeping allowed during classroom or lab time. Dress Code: The following dress code is to be strictly followed during class: 1. VU HTEC lab coats are required in the CNC lab. Loss of 10 points for each infraction. 2. Heavy leather shoes must be worn at all times in the shop. Steel toe shoes or boots are recommended, but not required. 3. Long hair must be kept pulled back securely during machine operation. 4. Rings and jewelry must be removed when in the shop. 5. A short sleeve shirt is recommended under the lab coat for comfort. 6. Safety glasses must be worn at all times in the shop. 7. Long pants without holes are required; no shorts or sweat pants. Academic Dishonesty: Academic Dishonesty will not be tolerated. Anyone caught cheating or using another’s work as their own will be dismissed from the CNC Machinist NOW Training Program without the possibility to readmit to the training program or a refund of any money. Drug Screening: If a student’s conduct is believed to be behavior of being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, the student will be asked by the Program Director to submit to a drug test. 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Always be safety minded. Supportive Services: Should a student desire supportive services, including counseling, they should let a staff member know as soon as possible, and supportive service options will be presented. For Veterans, a VA Voc Rehab Counselor is available at VU on Mondays and Fridays, and a Vet Center Counselor is available on Thursdays. Other supportive services are available, talk with a staff member. Loss: Vincennes University, the CNC Machinist NOW Training Program, the Program Director & Instructors will not be responsible for any lost or stolen items. Student Misconduct: Students must conduct themselves so other students are not distracted from learning. Faculty members are to be treated with courtesy and respect. Students must refrain from any conduct that constitutes a hazard to the health, safety, or wellbeing of fellow students, or University representatives in which the class is held. 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Challenge from HTEC Director: A considerable investment in time, effort and resources has been made in order for you to be enrolled in the CNC Machinist NOW class. That investment potentially comes from several sources: you and your family, tax paying citizens, VU, the VA, the WorkOne, the Gene Haas Foundation and others. This class is a great opportunity for you to build a solid foundation for a career as a CNC machinist. The policies, procedures and rules contained in this document, if followed, will be your best assurance to successfully completing the training and to launching your career. We, at the VU HTEC promise that we will do our best to help you succeed, and we challenge you to do your best to succeed as well. 600 hours of training may seem like a lot of time, but it will go fast, and the better you make use of your time, the better you will be prepared to start your career. Your first job after the training will be like a continuation of your training. You will be learning a lot, but you will also be earning an income. Your pay scale may be modest at first, but if you have a good attitude and a good work ethic, your skills will grow quickly and your pay scale will grow along with it. Your evaluation data that we share with employers will play a large role in determining whether a company will extend an offer to you, and what opportunities you might receive within the company. NOW is the time to make the determination to obey the rules, to work hard, and to set your sights on learning all you can. If you do this, we will be happy to recommend you as a CNC Machinist to employers and to help you launch your machining career. We are excited that you are here, and we look forward to serving you for the next 15 weeks! - Doug Bowman, VU HTEC
tamu says:
Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 02:06 PM
Hi Doherty, I solved the attendance issue with electronic clickers in my class and lab. I teach at a university, so my way might not be applicable to your case but I would like to share it with everyone in this forum. I use clickers to gage students’ understanding of lab objective, lab procedure and main points in a class lecture. We will have warm up questions and then more challenging questions. I start on time, use it for attendance bonus, and count the right answer toward final grade. The attendance and punctuality shoot up since I repeat some of clicker questions in exam. I also make final test somewhat challenging so students have to rely on other grades (bonus, clicker, homework…) to pass the class. A survey among nearly 1000 students show that students are in favor (4/5) of having clickers as a useful tool to help them. Good luck on your program, Wayne Texas A&M
doxender says:
Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:30 PM
Ed, One of the biggest things you mentioned and I deal with is not just the teaching machining, but the employability skills. By teaching employment skills, part of that is showing up to work and doing your job. I cannot endorse someone who doesn’t show up to class. If someone shows up and at least tries, they have a better chance at success than one of the best students that doesn’t show up. I know they need to work and go to school, which can be difficult. I had to do the same issues. I am willing to work with the students if they put in the effort. If they don’t put in the effort I let their actions be their reward. Just like a real job that they get paid at. Also, remember in the machining field there are different types of capabilities with machining. You have a “machinist”, “machine operator” and someone to push a button. I attached an On the Job Training agreement the students and the employer make with iTech. This will be modified more this summer. It gives them some credit towards the hours they need for the class. They must be working in their appropriate field, like nursing or machining. They do have to be in my class at least 60% of the time. I don’t have a problem giving them some leeway if needed. If they start to abuse it then they have to deal with the consequences. If that means filling the spot with someone else that might want to put in more effort, than what the current student is doing, that is what I will do. At our last Advisory Board meeting, we asked all the members what type of professionalism they expected in the work place. 1. Attendance, 2. Language, 3. Dress code and grooming-hygiene, 4. Positive attitude, 5. Being productive. Now this is not voted on as one, two then three. I do have to say that the members thought number one was attendance, then a mix of the others. I agree with them, being a former employer of machinists. I didn’t care how good you were, if you didn’t show up I was getting someone to replace you. I have only had a few students that show up and finish the curriculum I have set up for them. When this occurs, because of the OJT agreement, they can actually find a job a few months early of their graduation and get the needed credit hours to complete the course. My course is 1500 hours and I have it broken up into three semesters. When they finish semester one they can start working on the second one. I know it is difficult teaching at all different levels, but it is not much different in the real world. Employees like students will progress at different rates. I will even use some of the more advanced students to help instruct the ones I think need help or I am not able to give them the attention they need right away. This also teaches responsibility to the more advanced student and gives the student in need of help a different look at how to machine something. I would have to say with me, as far as the bottom line is, if you don’t apply you don’t get the job. If you don’t apply in the classroom you don’t get the degree. As much as I want to see everyone succeed I know not everyone will.
cncdude5x says:
Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 12:18 PM
I wanted to see where my reply would end up and if I get a notification

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